Comments on: What Not To Do: The Flash, 1990-1991 http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137 You Gotta Hear This. Mon, 06 Sep 2010 05:53:57 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Alan Trehern http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137&cpage=1#comment-794 Alan Trehern Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:31:11 +0000 http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137#comment-794 I remember the Weather Wizard and Captain Cold being abhorred re-imaginings of the original characters. I mean when you have a dude like John Wesley Snipes in a goofy ass red suit that clearly does not match his muscle structure, who goes on to then say, "Hey, you know what, I want to write this story as if it could ACTUALLY happen." "But, Bilson, we already have the goofy red suit and the Danny Elfman music. Why don't we just stay true to the actually comics so we can appease the fans." "Dimeo, you don't get it. If we put Mark Hamill in a uni-tard and rip off the Shadow with a black guy, there's no way we can miss. Keep the red suit, and I'll take care of the rest...." In an alternate dimension, Dimeo killed Bilson right then and there. The Flash TV Series went on to make 13 seasons, 4 movies and an adult film adaptation that would be the first ever shown on basic cable. C'est la vie! I remember the Weather Wizard and Captain Cold being abhorred re-imaginings of the original characters. I mean when you have a dude like John Wesley Snipes in a goofy ass red suit that clearly does not match his muscle structure, who goes on to then say,

“Hey, you know what, I want to write this story as if it could ACTUALLY happen.”

“But, Bilson, we already have the goofy red suit and the Danny Elfman music. Why don’t we just stay true to the actually comics so we can appease the fans.”

“Dimeo, you don’t get it. If we put Mark Hamill in a uni-tard and rip off the Shadow with a black guy, there’s no way we can miss. Keep the red suit, and I’ll take care of the rest….”

In an alternate dimension, Dimeo killed Bilson right then and there. The Flash TV Series went on to make 13 seasons, 4 movies and an adult film adaptation that would be the first ever shown on basic cable. C’est la vie!

]]> By: Frog http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137&cpage=1#comment-730 Frog Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:53:14 +0000 http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137#comment-730 bring on the Weather Wizard! bring on the Weather Wizard!

]]> By: Mike http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137&cpage=1#comment-715 Mike Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:49:24 +0000 http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137#comment-715 Wow. Is it possible that I agree with everyone that commented here? ...except Sean and his opinion of Watchmen. Wow. Is it possible that I agree with everyone that commented here?

…except Sean and his opinion of Watchmen.

]]> By: Alan Trehern http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137&cpage=1#comment-714 Alan Trehern Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:47:34 +0000 http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137#comment-714 Yes, the Flash TV series and the momentous storytelling we expected may have been beyond the production capabilities due possibly to financial or technological restraints. However, if this was the case, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE to have the show failing in acting, character development and over story. And for that, the complete annihilation of this television series it utterly justified. Trehern Yes, the Flash TV series and the momentous storytelling we expected may have been beyond the production capabilities due possibly to financial or technological restraints. However, if this was the case, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE to have the show failing in acting, character development and over story. And for that, the complete annihilation of this television series it utterly justified.

Trehern

]]> By: Sean P. Ferguson http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137&cpage=1#comment-711 Sean P. Ferguson Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:46:16 +0000 http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137#comment-711 Too, welcome. Mike and I are very excited to have you on board. Too, welcome. Mike and I are very excited to have you on board.

]]> By: Sean P. Ferguson http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137&cpage=1#comment-710 Sean P. Ferguson Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:45:42 +0000 http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137#comment-710 The Dark Knight (or as I like to put it, "the best movie ever made") proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that there's more to come. That there's more we could see. Watchmen movie-wise couldn't hold a candle to that movie, not by a long shot. You articulated everything just fine, as I said, just making conversation. The Dark Knight (or as I like to put it, “the best movie ever made”) proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that there’s more to come. That there’s more we could see. Watchmen movie-wise couldn’t hold a candle to that movie, not by a long shot. You articulated everything just fine, as I said, just making conversation.

]]> By: Ben Pearson http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137&cpage=1#comment-708 Ben Pearson Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:18:39 +0000 http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137#comment-708 I think what I was trying to articulate (which I may have not done very well) is that because the movie version of Watchmen reversed the archetypes the average viewer has seen in the comic book movies that came before it, one might assume it would give the general public a feeling of "OK, we've seen everything now" and perhaps the comic book movie would slowly die out. I was presenting that as a potential reaction by the people; one that obviously hasn't come true and doesn't show any signs of coming true in the near future. And if you dug the Watchmen graphic novel, how could you not like the movie? I thought it was as close of an adaptation that anyone could have done. I think what I was trying to articulate (which I may have not done very well) is that because the movie version of Watchmen reversed the archetypes the average viewer has seen in the comic book movies that came before it, one might assume it would give the general public a feeling of “OK, we’ve seen everything now” and perhaps the comic book movie would slowly die out. I was presenting that as a potential reaction by the people; one that obviously hasn’t come true and doesn’t show any signs of coming true in the near future. And if you dug the Watchmen graphic novel, how could you not like the movie? I thought it was as close of an adaptation that anyone could have done.

]]> By: Daily P.O.P. http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137&cpage=1#comment-707 Daily P.O.P. Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:39:29 +0000 http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137#comment-707 The Flash TV program is very reflective of the time in which it was made. Just as the Batman movie in 1989 was so clearly an influence on the show's look and feel, it also influenced the same mistakes in the Flash. A need to make it clear that this was a comic book program yet at the same time make it 'about characters' meant that it looked absurd yet featured stories about 'real villains' rather than supervillains. I think that Warner Bros. was of two minds on whether they should pay homage to the 1966 Batman series or not and the result is just silly looking yet dry and boring at the same time. As you pointed out, the Flash is defined by his villains. Captain Boomerang, Captain Cold, the Weather Wizard, the Top... the list goes on and on. If you were to create a cartoon, movie or TV series the Flash's rogue's gallery would jump out at you as an endless resource of plot ideas. How this could be missed is beyond me. I think it's great that Geoff Johns (who has a background in comics and film) is involved in DC's TV shows and movies. Marv Wolfman had a hand in the under-appreciated Ruby-Spears Superman cartoon and understands comics backwards and forwards as well as having excellent storytelling skills. Grant Morrison is a great idea guy and has a lot of energy. Having all three influence the Flash film is just common sense. So... is it anywhere close to going into production? The Flash TV program is very reflective of the time in which it was made. Just as the Batman movie in 1989 was so clearly an influence on the show’s look and feel, it also influenced the same mistakes in the Flash. A need to make it clear that this was a comic book program yet at the same time make it ‘about characters’ meant that it looked absurd yet featured stories about ‘real villains’ rather than supervillains. I think that Warner Bros. was of two minds on whether they should pay homage to the 1966 Batman series or not and the result is just silly looking yet dry and boring at the same time.

As you pointed out, the Flash is defined by his villains. Captain Boomerang, Captain Cold, the Weather Wizard, the Top… the list goes on and on. If you were to create a cartoon, movie or TV series the Flash’s rogue’s gallery would jump out at you as an endless resource of plot ideas. How this could be missed is beyond me.

I think it’s great that Geoff Johns (who has a background in comics and film) is involved in DC’s TV shows and movies. Marv Wolfman had a hand in the under-appreciated Ruby-Spears Superman cartoon and understands comics backwards and forwards as well as having excellent storytelling skills. Grant Morrison is a great idea guy and has a lot of energy. Having all three influence the Flash film is just common sense. So… is it anywhere close to going into production?

]]> By: Sean P. Ferguson http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137&cpage=1#comment-706 Sean P. Ferguson Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:38:05 +0000 http://www.blindingloud.com/?p=1137#comment-706 For the sake of conversation, as long as you have the gold standards continuing to do well, Alan Moore could poop on every fan's face and comics and movies would continue on. Sure, the Watchmen graphic novel was epic and did what it did, but comics are still going strong. They've spawned how many shows and movies since? How many comics have started and survived and done well since? And that Watchmen movie, that was horrible. I don't know how Snyder keeps getting work, but someone should stop him. For the sake of conversation, as long as you have the gold standards continuing to do well, Alan Moore could poop on every fan’s face and comics and movies would continue on. Sure, the Watchmen graphic novel was epic and did what it did, but comics are still going strong. They’ve spawned how many shows and movies since? How many comics have started and survived and done well since? And that Watchmen movie, that was horrible. I don’t know how Snyder keeps getting work, but someone should stop him.

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